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Fort Sainte-Reine

John, I did get your e‑mail (the one stating you had e‑mail problems), and did respond. I notice now the Sainte-Reine article, and have linked to it. Bill Thayer (talk) 14:40, 10 February 2022 (UTC)


John, I can't seem to reach you by e‑mail. "… says there is no such address, and the address at FortWiki (which you yourself give onsite), <>, returns: The e-mail message could not be delivered because the user's mailfolder is full.

Got a good address now?

Hope everything's OK, although I'm leaving this here because I see you've edited stuff today, so I imagine it is.

Best, Bill


I have just created a user account, and am now officially part of your site!

I'm not too swift on this kind of thing. I got to the place where I can leave you messages through the link you provided, but don't know how to get here through the web site. I only get to User talk:John Weaver. Do I leave messages at that location or is there a way to go from there to here? Sorry about being "discussion group challenged"!


Welcome aboard! You can leave messages on any Talk or Discussion page and I will find it. You can see my personal page at User:John Stanton and you have a personal page at User:Jrweaver and a user talk page at User talk:Jrweaver. John 23:52, 26 January 2008 (EST)

John - I found it! An old dog can learn some new tricks after all.

I responded to your e-mail with the two forts I forgot - Hancock and the Advanced Redoubt. I'm now up to 42 forts.

Not listed as forts are the appurtenant structures. Fort Winthrop (1), for example, in Boston Harbor is not listed as a fort. The towers at Charleston, Tybee Island, Key West (2), and New Orleans (2) and the battery at Bayou Bienvenue (Battery Bienvenue) are also not part of the list of 42.

I also didn't include the Northern Frontier forts, as Totten did not include them is the system in his reports. He listed them as a separate entity. He stated that the forts of the Third System were to be manned by militia artillery, while the Northern Frontier forts were to be manned by regular army. This seems like a minor difference, but it was really representative of a whole different philosophy of defense.

Sorry - once I get started it's hard to turn off!

I better sign off for the night. I've got a miserable meeting at 8:00 AM tomorrow. I'll be the one dealing out the misery, but it still won't be much fun for anyone there - including my boss and his boss. I'm not looking forward to it!

Take care, John

Thanks for clearing things up for me. I moved some of your excellent comments to the Third System Forts page and I'll work on better integrating them as time allows. Any suggestions/edits welcome. John 22:28, 29 January 2008 (EST)


Hi John, I have wanted to add some Michigan/Indiana and Ontario forts for a while, thought I would give it a shot now! :-) Thanks for the welcome :-) ~~ MarkDilley

Hi Mark, with the recent update to MW 1.12 my create forts form has a slight bug so it messes up the map code :-( Not to worry I'll fix any that go bad! John 21:24, 1 June 2008 (UTC)
Great John, will point other interested folks from my clan to here now that I have set foot in it. Best, MarkDilley


Hey John I saw your message on my talk page. I think I am ready for those picture pointers. Nightshade 17:56, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

Oh and on a side note I live in Salem as well.

No problem, I'll work on the Fort Columbia pages, standardizing them and such. I'll do as much as I can on that. I'll see you in a while.


Ok John I am ready to receive picture pointers.


Hi John. Could you do me a big favor. I need the following images and their pages removed


I deleted it John 23:49, 23 June 2008 (UTC)

This picture is a duplicate that I accidentally uploaded to the site. Thanks!

John I need you to delete another picture. It was mislabeled.

It's actually the shot room not the tool room.

Done! Thanks for the great pictures! John 13:29, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Advanced Redoubt

John, The photo used in the "Advanced Redoubt" of Pensacola is incorrect. That photo is of Fort Pickens. Thanks Shane Higgins

Hi Shane, thanks for the info. That is a National Park Service photo and I remember being not being able to correlate the picture with the satellite view of the Advanced Redoubt at the time. I figured they knew better than I :-), I'll take it down. If you live in the area perhaps you could contribute a couple of pictures so everyone would know what it actually looks like. Thanks again for your note John 17:43, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

Links to Battery Pages Broken?

Hi John. I think that the links to the specific batteries in the fort pages are broken. I noticed this when I was visiting the Fort Columbia page when I was planning to work on the Battery Ord page. If you can look into this that would be great. Nightshade

Great catch Nightshade! I changed the template for the battery list a while ago and did not notice the unintended consequences on the older battery work, so sorry! Should be fixed now, many thanks. John 02:49, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
BTW I made a grand tour of the Puget Sound Coastal Defense Forts two weeks ago and I'm busy building out the battery pages for them. Working on Fort Worden now. John 02:56, 3 August 2008 (UTC)
I saw them and they are some great looking examples of coastal artillery. I was actually planning my next coastal artillery trip outside the Columbia River mouth to the Puget Sound area. Looks like from the pics you took I am in for a treat should I ever go there. Oh and thanks for looking into that link issue for me. I am looking through my pics of Battery Ord right now and should be posting my best ones in the next few days if don't get too busy. Nightshade 20:31, 23 August 2008 (UTC)
It was a great trip and you should not miss them, especially Fort Worden and Fort Casey (1). Check out my new blog at for a description of the Fort Worden trip, more to come. I also visited Fort Stevens over the weekend and got a great tour of Battery Mishler and that is on the blog also. I just finished updating the pages for Fort Stevens and Battery Mishler. John 03:14, 25 August 2008 (UTC)
That is awesome that you took the tour. As you know I took the tour myself last summer but never really got to posting my own pics mostly because I seem to be busy on the Fort Columbia pages and posting my pics might of spoiled for you a great tour. So I just contributed the text information of the page based on my own research and from what the tour guides told me. However you were the lucky one since it was only you and your wife with the tour guides. I was in a group of about 5 to 7 if I recall and I was always the last one behind catching up because I was taking pictures. I will post my own tour pics to supplement your own. I noticed your blog. Such a neat idea and I would love to contribute to it.

Web Site Question

Hi John:

I created a web site called using Joomla, however I have found the architecture to be difficult to maintain, and not very user-friendly. I have started redesigning the site, and am going to use Mediawiki. The form that you use for adding Forts is exactly what I would like to do for adding trail information. But being a Mediawiki newbie, I'm struggling to figure out how to do it. Would you be good enough to point me in the direction of how you built your form? I've found various pieces of forms documentation on Mediawiki, but nothing that makes it all come together for me.

Thanks in advance for your help!

Ron Sherwood

ron (at)

Hi Ron, welcome aboard! I use the Form extension by Evan Prodromou at and it works pretty good for me. I still have a couple of glitches to work out that appeared when I upgraded to MediaWiki 1.12 but nothing too serious. I love Evan's extension and use it in several wikis. Every form application requires two pages, one in the MediaWiki Namespace that defines the form and one in the Template Namespace that defines the structure of the resulting article. Just examine the samples that come with the extension and you should be able to see how it works. Let me know if you need help. John 20:07, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Hi John: Thanks!! I have the extension installed, and the sample forms working in my wiki. Now to develop my own. I did have one other question: Are the links to Googlemaps, the topos, etc. built into your template - or do you add those manually after the fact? I really appreciate the help! Hope you don't mind if I bug you again if I come up with any other questions. (And maybe I can come up with a Fort or two to add to your site!)

Hey Ron, you got that working quickly! I have the Form build out the entire structure of the page since it is a bit complex. The Google Maps extensions does not work well inside templates so you have to put the code on every page but I use templates where possible to simplify adding structured data.

Hi John: Once I studied the Form extension documentation and looked at your site a little more, it all clicked for me. Thanks again for your help. I really appreciate it!

Hello John I do have 3 pictures of Or as the locals know it "New" Camp Warner. How do I go about posting them on here? Your latitude and longitude is within 200 feet of the parade ground. Also the building you see on the map is not from the fort but from a family that resided there in the late 1800s.

You can upload pictures using the "Upload File" option in the "toolbox" menu. Once you upload them I will take care of putting them on the page. Thanks for the info. (putting this reply in my talk page and your talk page) John 02:07, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

Thanks John, I went ahead and added 3 pictures of "New" Camp Warner. Also I will be at Fort Harney in a couple of weeks at a Family event so I will be sure to get some pictures of the remains of the fort as well.

Great! I'll get these up tonight, you can look at the markup when I get done and you should be able to figure out how to do it, it's easy after the first one. John 02:33, 14 August 2008 (UTC)

The Dent house is on the site. Its actually located right in front of where the Enlisted Men's Barracks were located. I'm not sure whether the building was built out of the remains of the fort or not. I don't believe that it was because most of the fort was built of logs and this building isn't.

Camp Lyons

Hello John I just started making a new page about Camp Lyons Idaho. Its still pretty bare though. My question is how do you get the google map image to show up on the page? Thanks Ryan

Well your code all looks good, I'll redo it all and see what happens John 00:36, 8 September 2008 (UTC)
Working now, I think it was the trailing zeros on the lat long John 00:45, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Thanks for the help John. Its funny how all the reports say this Camp was in Idaho but its actually mostly in Oregon. So I just went with Idaho as that's what most books and reports say. I will keep plugging away on it. If you see anything that should be changed just let me know.

Battery Ord Third Gun Emplacement

I got your post in my user talk about Battery Ord and judging by my pictures and my memory the pushpin location for gun #3 is a little off. Here is where the pushpin should be located. Please delete the image from the wiki as soon as you're done with the correction.

On a related note I did notice the service dates in the gun table for the third gun emplacement was from 1898 to 1917. Shouldn't it be from 1898 to 1910 due to the third gun emplacement being buried during 1910? Nightshade 05:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

I'll fix it up later today John 14:27, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I changed Gun #3 to 1910 but I haven't found any documentation to confirm the 1910 date still looking. John 03:22, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
The 1910 date came from a information display posted at the gun emplacement. While not a authoritative source it was all that I had to go on. Maybe the parks personnel at Fort Columbia would know something about it. After all, they did put it there so I am sure they got that information from somewhere. Nightshade 04:24, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Battery O'Flying

John I am back up at Warrenton visiting my Dad for a week. Of course this means I am off visiting batteries again! The goal for the week is Battery O'Flying and possibly Battery 247 at Fort Canby. I was wondering if you have any information on finding and getting access to Battery O'Flying. I really want to visit this battery even though it is on Coast Guard property. According the CDSG page the emplacement is clean and accessible by trail. This tells me that someone visited the battery at one time plus nowhere does it say it's closed to the public. I am thinking it is off the trail to Cape Disappointment Lighthouse. But still I am concerned about accessing the battery due to it being on Coast Guard property. Any information you can provide would be great. Nightshade 05:42, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Check this out on WikiMapia John 14:26, 12 September 2008 (UTC)
I would give the Coast Guard Station a call and see what they say about access. John 14:29, 12 September 2008 (UTC)

Use of a photo

Hello, I've recently joined this wiki and have a question. I was delighted to find your photo of the Fort Umpqua historical marker, -- I had been trying to figure out where the HBC Fort Umpqua was. The USGS GNIS database gives location info for other, later Fort Umpquas. A while ago I created a Fort Umpqua page on Wikipedia, -- but without good location information. I liked your photo here so much I wondered if it was alright to us it on the Wikipedia page. I could not figure how if Fort Wiki content is licensed as Creative Commons in the way Wikipedia content is. But it seems to be implied. At the bottom of your photo page (indeed all pages here) it says "Content is available under Attribution-Share Alike 3.0". But rather than jump to a conclusion I thought I ought to just ask you: Would it be alright to use your photo of the Fort Umpqua historical marker on the Wikipedia Fort Umpqua page? Thanks! Pfly 08:02, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Paul, welcome to FortWiki! All of the content on FortWiki is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 3.0 license and you are welcome to use it as you wish, all we ask for is a reference to where you got it and, if you are so inclined, a link back. The folks down at Fort Umpqua have made great progress on their replica of the fort and we enjoy a visit down there every 3 or 4 months. Just waiting for the weather to clear for our next visit - let me know if you need other pictures, I'll be happy to take some for you. John 16:13, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
Fort Umpqua rebuild, September 2008
PS that marker is located right at the bridge south of Elkton on Hwy 138 at Mehl Creek Road. John 16:32, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Fort Harney again John the location on the map is perfect. It falls right where the enlisted barracks were located. I'm currently doing a bit of research on the location so I will continue to post information as I find it.Ryan

Listing of books as sources

Hi John. Say I have a question. I purchased a book called Images of America: Fort Stevens by Susan L. Glen. I would like to include it in the book section but I have no idea on creating the page proper. I would like to use it as a source material for the wiki. Here's the information:

Glenn, Susan L. Images of America: Fort Stevens Arcadia Publishing 2008

Thanks in advance for the help. Nightshade

Battery O'Flying Photos Goofup

Hi John. I need the following pictures deleted. I goofed up on the names and accidentally flipped the pictures.

If you could do that that would be great. I'll be fleshing out the Battery O'Flyng and Battery Guenther pages this week. Nightshade 29 Jun 2009

Will do, great work on those pictures, how did you get access? John 22:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
Well I called the Coast Guard in Astoria and they gave me the number for the Cape Disappointment Station. Talked to the operations officer over there and arranged a time to go up and visit. He said that before I left to talk to the OD (Officer of the Day) to let them know we were on our way. It really wasn't that hard to do. I think last year when I attempted to do it I might of either did it wrong or I was given the wrong number for Cape Disappointment Station. This time, a couple of phone calls and that was it. Easy as pie as they say. I also put up a blog entry for Battery O'Flying for your review on the U.S Forting blog. I'll do the blog entry for Gunther either tonight or tomorrow morning. Johnathan
Many thanks for all the great work! I just did the template for your book reference, I do the title page next, you can put it in your sources like this:
* {{Glen}}, page nnnn

Produces this:

  • Glenn, Susan L., Images of America: Fort Stevens, Arcadia Publishing, 2008, 128 pages, ISBN 978-0738559339, page nnnn

John 22:39, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh yeah I totally forgot about the book thing. I'll put it in as a source for the Battery Russell page when I am home on Sunday. I'm glad to do the work John and share with everyone my forting experiences on the wiki and blog. I am thinking going to Battery Pratt tomorrow to see how the progress is going on the gun replica. It should be almost finished by now, if not already. Nightshade 02:44, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Battery O'Flying U.S. Forting Blog Entry

The blog entry looks great John. I was worried there that you didn't have enough stock photos to go along with the text but apparently no worries there. However, I did notice a spelling error. Could you be so kind as to correct my bad spelling in this passage:

"The inside of the battery was just pain outstanding."

Pain should be plain. Thanks! Nightshade 03:52, 30 June 2009 (UTC)

Battery O'Flying Photos Goofup Redux

Hi John, say could you delete the following image?

Image:'Flying Front Passage Way - Gun Emplacement 1 - Powder and Back Passage Way Entrances.JPG

I reuploaded it with a shorter name. Thanks! Nightshade 04:53, 3 July 2009 (UTC)

John could you delete this picture?

It seems that the Wiki has a problem with the ' in picture file names. This is the second time it has done it. Something to keep in mind when uploading pictures. Nightshade 06:29, 8 July 2009 (UTC)

Battery Guenther US Forting Blog

Hi John.

I finally posted my Battery Guenther blog on US forting for your review. There are two pictures in the Battery Guenther picture gallery you can use for the shell room doors and hoist. Enjoy! Nightshade 19:32, 31 July 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the post, I'm working on it now, should be out tonight! John 03:50, 1 August 2009 (UTC)


Please give me sysop and bureaucrat tools on wikiindex, thanks! Erwin 13:13, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Hi Erwin, I'm no longer active on WikiIndex so you will have to contact one of the active sysops for access. John 15:24, 29 March 2010 (UTC)

Sorry sir but the current bureaucrat not see my request, please kindly, give you these rights from me. Thank you...Erwin 09:17, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

And add interwiki link w>wikipedia please. Thanks...and please, give me only sysop rights.. --Erwin 16:03, 9 April 2010 (UTC)

Hi Erwin, as I said, I'm no longer active on WikiIndex so you will have to contact one of the active sysops for access.

CSS Hack

Thought you might like this for a cleaner home page - or not :-) Best, MarkDilley

Hi John,

        i want to get that pitcure of the fort ewell slab up but i don't know how. would you tell me how? 

P.S. i think i also sent you a copy.

hi John,

i downloaded the picture onto fort wiki as (Image:1 007.JPG) so can you put it on to the fort ewell page please?


i also would like to take camera stuff off and claim the rights to the photo. how do i do that ? sorry bout all the ?s -i'm new at this kind of stuff aggierockhunter

never mind

never mind about the copyright thingi don't want to take it off but is there a way to put the picture on the fort ewell page? also is there a way you can take off the camera stuff and rename it? aggierockhunter


thank you kindly, aggierockhunter

Thanks for the welcome

Hi John, thank you for welcoming me to Fort Wiki and for explaining the norms and how they may differ from Wikipedia. Thanks as well for cleaning up the Fort Lawton article after me.

I was surprised that events such as the Fort Lawton Riots were not already a part of the Fort Wiki article on Fort Lawton. In my view, an account of significant events (not just military engagements) that occurred on a particular installation, and mention of people who served there, are important parts of the history of the place and worthy of inclusion in the article. Is this sensibility consistent with Fort Wiki's ethos? Don Argus jr 22:46, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Glad to have you contributing Don! I try to set up a factual framework hoping that others will fill in the blanks, just as you have. I am a true believer in the collaborative process and I love to see people flesh out pages that they care about. I live in the Northwest (Salem, Oregon) and have been to most of the forts around Seattle but not Fort Lawton for some reason, I'll try to see it next trip. Please add what you can to any of the pages that interest you including images. I'll be happy to help in any way I can. You can contact me directly at Many thanks! John

Hello again John, you have been busy! Your Northern Frontier portal looks great; you've pulled together an impressive amount of information about forts in that part of the continent. I'm adding a few more installations from my native region; they are thick on the ground. Cheers, Don Don Argus jr 02:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Hi John, From a Newcomer

I have started up a small website,, focusing on the Endicott and WW2 installations in New England, starting with HD Boston. Been at this about two years.

I was going to send you a thank you note for your excellent(!!) photos of 3-inch guns at Btty Trevor, some of which I wanted to use on my own website. Then I realized this was a wiki and that apparently inputs are needed for Boston sites. I would love to add some of these, using the Btty Trevor page as a model. Are there special templates I need to use for this? Can I just cut and paste Trevor into,say, Btty Kellogg (which I see is one of the needed ones) and then edit that? What would you suggest? I have done Wikipedia articles on almost all the Boston forts--Ft. Banks, for example, and would likely use that info again over here, perhaps adding more photos. (See my WP User page for a complete list of completed fort articles I've done and works in process.)

Any help would be appreciated, along with pitfalls I might run into re: differences between these pages and WP ones. My direct email is I guess I have a User page here now, so would I look for your answer over there?


 -Paul Pgrig 20:44, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Hi Paul, welcome to Fort Wiki, All help is welcome and appreciated! I have just recently started on the Boston Harbor Defenses and I am almost done putting in the forts. The next step is to put in the Batteries and you can sure help there. I will send you a template/boilerplate by email with some instructions. I monitor every change so no matter where you reply I will see it. You are free to reuse anything on my site it is all creative commons licensed and all we ask is some kind of credit line or link. I'll get you an email in about 10 min. John 20:57, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

New here

Hi John,

Ive got a lot of pics of the following forts and some others Im trying to figure out how to add them.

I live real close to the three here on the Columbia

FT Stevens.....always at since I live just a few minutes away. Been keeping track of the west batteries falling apart. Ft Columbia Ft Canby

Also have Camp Hayden Ft Worden Ft Flagler Ft Ward minus the 2 on private property :( Middle Point Military Reservation

Planning a trip up to (late summer?) Ft Ebey Ft Casey Ft Whitman

Maybe I can email you the pics and you can add them?

I do have a group on Facebook for those who are interested.!/group.php?gid=91156456530

Hi Robert, welcome to Fort Wiki! We live in the Northwest also, Salem Oregon to be exact. Picture contributions are always welcome and I'll be happy to upload your photos if you email them to There are several users from the northwest who also contribute to these pages so you are in good company. Check out each one of the above pages and you can get a idea of what is needed. Let me know if you need any help. John 18:59, 15 February 2011 (UTC)

U.S. Forting Community Badge

Hi John, just wanted to let you know the U.S. Forting Community badge in your sidebar is now a link to a search on AboutUs as we no longer have categories. :-( Best, MarkDilley

Bummer! I guess I will have to rethink that, thanks Mark. John 20:59, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Strange fort picture I found, cannot ID the fort

Came across this image, billed as some secret hideout in the West Indies

  'Top secret island fortress and SCAN secret headquarters..., St. Sojourner'

The fortifications look very Third System with later additions, but find the concentric circular walls odd. That and other issues (and the fact I cannot find it!) make me think photoshop, so I wonder if you can help ID this thing.

THX! Matt SCANislandfortress4.JPG --Mfischer0 18:28, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

Not anything that I have seen before I'm thinking Photoshop also. John 18:45, 26 July 2011 (UTC) User:Donnabhain


hi this is James aggierockhunter, i am trying to find out which company of mounted rifles did jerome napoleon bonoparte was in. do you know?

Fort Dark

Hi, John do you know aything about Fort Dark, Texas 1850- 1854.

It's not listed in Roberts and I've not heard of it.
I did a quick google search for "fort dark" and got a bunch of hits, unfortunately they were all misscans of "fort clark" -User:Donnabhain

change email

Hey John! I tried to change my email but never got the confirmation code. Additionally I tried to email you at john(at) and it came back as mailbox full.

Sorry about that, the mailbox is good to go now John (talk)
Thanks John! I was only emailing ya about the confirmation code, any way to change email without it? my new email is an aol address, might be blocked?

Fort Harlington

I came across this pic on the LOC site captioned "harrisburg, pa from Fort Harlington" and couldn't find anything on any fort by that name. All the hits on google were just for the one picture. Any ideas?

Nevermind :P (didn't see a delete for this) It can only be Fort Washington, I can't see where it's marked on the image but it must be illegible.


I haven't spent much time out that way, but will be heading out there next week to visit friends and hopefully drag them to come forts! I think the only one I've been out was Fort Dickerson. I'm working in Bowling Green now and will try to work on a few pages for the forts there :) Visited Fort C. F. Smith, Fort Webb, Fort Baker and Fort Lytle aka Vinegar aka Albert Sidney Johnston. I'll also be going back down to Pensacola and hope to check out the recreated spanish bastion that I missed last time and Fort McRee. Hope you have a great summer John!

Exciting to see your work!

And that of the many people here John!! Was fun to mess about here for a few days. Wish you and the misses well. Best, MarkDilley (talk)

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